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Monday, April 11, 2005

Other browsers under NT4

Not too long ago, I talked about some of the issues one runs into when one tries to put a more modern web browser onto a Windows NT4 machine. Recently I began to wonder if similar issues would be encountered with other, non IE browsers.

FireFox, being quite popular (while not quite my cup of tea) was an obvious first choice, my destination for such an upgrade? GetFireFox.com of course! Unfortunately... the server does not successfully redirect the client to the proper page, instead displaying a server test page.

A quick Google search for FireFox gives us the page that GetFireFox.com usually redirects to.

Unfortunately, once again, the server cannot handle the request from IE2.

Not being deterred, I again tried to go through the main Mozilla page and browse through it's projects...

which again runs into a common error:

At this point... I gave up as the traditional means of upgrading to FireFox failed from IE2. The only options it looks like would be either DLing a FireFox installer on another machine, or finding an installer on a more compatible web server.

My second attempt at upgrading, was to get Opera working, www.opera.com seeming to be a good first step. Amazingly, Opera's main page looked pretty nice under IE2, far better that most other pages I had seen.

With the download link nice and obvious, I proceeded to an ugly, but functional download screen.

With a quick decision on what to do with the incoming file, the download proceeded, oh how I do not miss downloading this way.

And a quick installation later, Opera was up and running without a problem (except for the obvious ads, but then I am a cheap bastard).

Although I never tried, I would expect that with Opera running one would be able to get their browser of choice up and running via the traditional means by now having a modern web browser running.

While not overly important, all of this does raise the question of how low the bar should be set when it comes to upgrading older systems? There still remains large numbers of NT4 machines, many of which are probably not running the latest web browser (not that most of these NT4 machines need a web browser).


  • it's called a command line, mate


    By Blogger Dan tdaxp, at 6:05 PM  

  • No, it's called a lack of web standards by the people who claim to champion them.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:02 AM  

  • i'm guessing the problem is the mozilla site using name based virtual hosting.

    i don't have nt4 around to test with though.

    name based virtual hosting is often forced on sites by ip allocation bodies and also makes aranging caching of dynamic content based websites much easier.

    BUT it doesn't work with very old browsers.

    By Anonymous plugwash, at 3:10 PM  

  • Yes, it would be a Name Based Virtual Hosting ("NBVH") thing. IE2 was released well before the HTTP/1.1 standard came out, so it did not know of the Host header used by NBVH, and, in response to such, the server tried to grab a default webroot, which probably did not exist.

    But yes, I agree with Dan. Command line is your friend (Lynx user :))


    By Anonymous Wes, at 9:38 PM  

  • Just switch to Linux.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:58 AM  

  • http://arc.opera.com/pub/opera/

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:05 PM  

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